help with an arguement
Posted by dance4me on Jul 04, 2006 · Member since Mar 2006 · 20 posts
So I'm reading a ton, educating myself about the beauty of veganism. The argument for it seems undeniable. Though I need help to put it to everyday situations. Family, some friends and random strangers think I'm a fool to take dairy and eggs from the kids. "How can you raise the kids on a healthy diet without meat, dairy and eggs?" I stutter and fumble with my answers. It's still new for me. So I implore you to help me out and give me some answers as well as some arguments to help my cause.
Thanks so much...
How can you raise the kids on a healthy diet without meat, dairy and eggs?...Let me tell you my experience...we starting on veganism because of health reasons for my husband. He had high cholesterol, low iron, slightly overweight & just felt lousy. His iron was so low that he wasn't allowed to donate blood anymore. Since changing diets, he has lost the 10 pounds, lowered his cholesterol & raised his iron level & is energetic as he was 20 years ago. He's back to donating every few months & the blood services volunteers are amazed at his results. On his last visit, he was told 'keep doing whatever it is you're doing'.
If you're preparing well balanced meals, your family will thrive.
Your friends & family will come around. They may not agree (& that's ok) but you need to calm their worries...especially grandmothers :) Your library will have lots of books on the subject that can help you. Talking to a dietician is great & she/he'll have pamphlets that you can take home to give to your friends/family. The more information they have, the better they'll feel. As for strangers making comments to you...that's just rude!!!
All the best.
First I have to suggest that engaging people in this kind of discussion is not
productive. Some people (for whatever reason) don't like the idea that alternative
life choises are possible. However, I think you should have an understanding of
what healthy eating is and be confident about your knowledge. This will help you
in your quest for eating well and raising healthy kids. I have two suggestions.
First is the American Dietetic Association's position paper on vegetarian diets.
It is supportive and discusses the ins and outs of eating health.
http://www.eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg/ada/hs.xsl/advocacy_933_ENU_HTML.htm
The artical has several references. One book I also like to refer to is:
The Nutrition Desk Reference by Robert H. Garrison, Jr and Elizabeth
Somer. Published by Keats Publishing, New Canaan Connecticut.
ISBN 0-87983-488-9
This book is not oriented toward veggie living, but can supply tons of information.
When I first became a vegetarian I tried to tell other people (some close friends)
about how easy and great it was. I met a lot of resistance and soon discovered that
I wasn't about to convience anybody about anything. I again have to reiterate the idea
that engaging other people in discussions about diet is not productive. The best I have
been able to do is just be a quiet example of how someone can succeed at going veggie.
I'd say "How you raise children on a helthy diet with meat, dairy and eggs". Really, I've never heard of an unhealthy vegan.
People tend to think we're smelly, anorexic, pale, boring extremeists whos favourite hoby is releasing farm cattle and destroying meattransports.
But really, have you ever met anyone like that? I guess not. neither have I.
Raising your children vegan means youre protecting them from cancer, heart-diseases, diabetes, overwheight and tons more that comes with eating a (unhelthy, yet disgustingly common) diet including meat, dairy and eggs.
Honestly, do you ask your friends if they think it's a good think feeding Tim and Jess fries, commercial meat products and all of the other not-so-helthy things they might eat? I don't think you do. So why should they be bothered with what you and your family eat?
It might sound a bit agressive to actually say it out loud, but the best answer to all vegan criticism I've herd is "My choice, your problem".
Just wish I'd dare to say that more often :P
When people ask me why I'm vegan, I say, "Because it's a healthy, environmentally friendly, and compassionate way of living. If you are truly interested in veganism, I would be happy to give you some additional information." Usually that ends the conversation.
I agree with BradTheVegan that discussing veganism with most people isn't usually productive (and may actually be counter productive). However, if the above statement doesn't end the conversation and the person persist, I hand them a vegan business card (I always keep some in my wallet). This gives people the opportunity to learn more about veganism if they are really interested. I had them printed for free at Vista Print http://www.vistaprint.com. They have a number of styles to choose from. You get 250 cards with their logo on the reverse side and only pay reasonable shipping costs.
Here is a picture of my card.
"When people ask me why I'm vegan, I say, "Because it's a healthy, environmentally friendly, and compassionate way of living. If you are truly interested in veganism, I would be happy to give you some additional information." Usually that ends the conversation. "
Thanks Little Crystal that is an awesome comeback. I'll certainly use this in conversations instead of explaining myself. ;)
I agree that it's best not to engage in an argument, but a healthy discussion can be quite eye opening - it's too much to post so I'll direct you here http://www.petakids.com/health.html
a few highlights:
Nutritionists and physicians have learned that plant products are good sources of protein, iron, calcium, and vitamin D because they can be easily absorbed by the body and don’t contain artery-clogging fat. The American Dietetic Association states, “Well-planned vegan … diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence.”(27)
• Protein—Consumption of too much protein is a much bigger issue than not getting enough. Protein deficiency is common only in countries suffering from famine. Eating too much protein, however, can lead to cancers of the colon and liver.(28,29) Children can get all the protein that their bodies need from whole grains in the form of oats, brown rice, and pasta; from nuts and seeds, including sunflower seeds, almonds, walnuts, and spreads such as tahini; and legumes, including tofu, lentils, beans, and peanut butter.
• Iron—Some babies’ intestines bleed after drinking cow’s milk, increasing their risk of developing iron-deficiency anemia since the blood that they’re losing contains iron.(30) Formula-fed babies should be fed a soy-based formula with added iron to minimize the risk of intestinal bleeding. Iron-rich foods such as raisins, almonds, dried apricots, blackstrap molasses, and fortified grain cereals will meet the needs of toddlers and children 12 months and older. Vitamin C helps the body absorb iron, so foods rich in both, such as green, leafy vegetables are particularly valuable.(31)
• Calcium—Cornbread, broccoli, kale, tofu, dried figs, tahini, great northern beans, and fortified orange juice and soy milk are all excellent sources of calcium. As with iron, vitamin C will help your child’s system absorb calcium efficiently.
• Vitamin D—Cow’s milk does not naturally contain vitamin D; it’s added later. Vitamin D-enriched soy milk provides this nutrient without the animal fat. A child who spends as little as 10 to 15 minutes three times a week playing in the sunshine, with arms and face exposed, will get sufficient vitamin D because it is synthesized in the skin when the skin is exposed to sunlight.(32)
• Vitamin B12—Whereas other primates get their necessary vitamin B12 from feces, dirt, unchlorinated water, and insects, any commercially available multivitamin will ensure an adequate amount of the vitamin for your child.(33) Vitamin B12 is also found in fortified soy milk and many cereals.
Important thing to know about Vitamin D
Getting the sufficient amount of vittamin d by being exposed to sunlight only works if your skin is pale/white. If your skin is darker brown it has a natural spf, wich means that the vitamin d is not created, as the skin blocks the sun. Fortified soy milk should do the trick, or a vitamin supplement.
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Ican"t beleive someone had the nerve to suggest formula to you over breast milk. Babies don't need soy milk they need mothers milk and if you cant nurse find a wet nurse ot La Leche. We have plenty of nursings mothers here who will nurse a baby or give milfk if the mother has no milk. Get the Facts. Chris Ryan PHD