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baypuppy--NVR, but

you seem to be very knowledgable of the roots of modern day sociological labeling...
one of my fav. blogs..."pink is the new blog" featured an article about lance bass' one year anniversary--of "coming out of the closet"....how exactly did society derive that phrase from "what" source, to mean a person announcing thorough public display or statement that they are "homosexual?"
i just realized, there's no eloquent way to write this, i despise labels, as such, they result in ridiculous phrases like "coming out of the closet" that seemingly have no relevant root.

Perhaps the phrase is associated with having "skeletons in the closet"--? Not sure where that phrase was derived from either though.

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Skeletons sounds about right...plus the idea of perhaps other-gender clothing hidden in the back of the closet?
I remember my mother's walk-in closets..basically small rooms. You could get up to a LOT in there if you wanted to, and who would know?
So keeping it "in the closet"---yeah.

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hmm... interesting...

http://www.comeout.org/node/15

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_closet

From wikipedia: "Narnian" is when you're really deep in the closet.... (I suppose it could mean sexually or otherwise) I'd never heard of that before...

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From wikipedia: "Narnian" is when you're really deep in the closet....

I wonder if that's how The Chronicles of Narnia came about?  Didn't they go through a closet to get into the other world?  It's been a quarter of a centrury since I read the book so the details are a bit murky.

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TCON was written just after WW2 so I think the term was adapted from the book, not the other way round... ;D

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From wikipedia: "Narnian" is when you're really deep in the closet....

I wonder if that's how The Chronicles of Narnia came about?  Didn't they go through a closet to get into the other world?  It's been a quarter of a centrury since I read the book so the details are a bit murky.

TCON was written just after WW2 so I think the term was adapted from the book, not the other way round... ;D

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that is a reference TO the book... not the other way around. Oops.

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It's an interesting question and undoubtedly one for the scholars of GLBT history. The expression "Coming out of the closet" is idiomatic, of course. I would guess, though maybe somebody knows for sure, that the expression has some kind of literary referent? Though not one that I know of! The whole idea of being "closeted," of course, presumes that there is a "truth" of homosexuality inherently out of line with mainstream culture. In other words, I think I can safely say that most gay people have to go through the experience of "coming out" from presumed heterosexuality into their "real" identities. There's a brilliant but almost unreadable scholar (Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick) who says that the concept of the closet and gayness being within it works to sort of conceptually contain queerness so that ignorance (of, for example, people's non-hetero identites) is justified. She says that there are many different kinds of ignorance and that it's frequently strategic. Can you imagine, for example, what it would be like for straight people to be presumed gay until they made some kind of public showing of their heterosexuality? If knowledge is power, Sedgwick might say, the closet is an open secret.

Just lettin my freak flag fly. I'm sure baypuppy and rhetcompgirl will want to chime on this one!

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