City, town or country?
Posted by Glen Ellyn Serv... on Aug 10, 2007 · Member since Aug 2007 · 315 posts
So if your a vegan, raw food, vegetarian or nearly vegetarian. Is it easier to live in a big city, if so which, a small town or out in the country? I would appreciate your opinions.
I've never lived anywhere else when I was vegan except in the San Francisco Bay Area. It's generally easy to do it around here.
I hate being a vegan in small town. No restaurants have vegan options. I have to go an hour out of my way to find Whole Foods. It's so not fun.
I'm moving to San Diego soon, and they have so many vegan/vegetarian choices. I love it whenever I go there for trips!
I think it depends on sense of place and economics, not size. What I mean by this is the social norms or affluence of the community. For instance Arcata, CA is a small town, but there are a lot of veggies, so there are many options. San Diego veg options are based solely on what section of town your in. The East County for instance is viewed as conservative, so fewer options than the perceived liberal areas of Hillcrest(also affluent gay section), OB, or North Park. Businesses will go where they can make money.
I live in a city of 20,000 and it's nearly impossible to eat veg*n here, it's slightly easier to eat vegetarian, but there still aren't alot of options. I also have to drive an hour to the nearest Whole Foods. I miss eating out - as an omni I took it for granted.
However, I have gotten much better at baking and cooking - lol! ;D
I've lived in lots of places and traveled to many as well, both big and small (and somewhere in-between). The two places I lived in that were the easiest were NYC and Woodstock, NY. So it was the city and the country. To be honest I think a lot actually has to do with how liberal a city is and accepting of "alternative" lifestyles. Those places just seem to embrace the veggie/vegan lifestyle more openly and cater to it. You won't find any fast food chains or Outback Steakhouse's in Woodstock...but you can find good veggie food everywhere ...even in the omni restaurants. I live out in the country now and it certainly is not a very "vegan friendly" environment...it is very very conservative. All the new places that are being built are either fast food or big box restaurants (like Outback). Atlanta is not very vegan friendly either, but it is getting better. If you know how to shop and what to look for you could probably live anywhere. If going out to eat is really important then you need to do your research. There are plenty of places I've been to on tours that are great vegan towns, Portland, Asheville, Eugene OR, Boulder, etc.
Here's GoVeg's (Peta) list of Best Vegetarian Friendly Cities to live:
http://www.goveg.com/f-vegcities.asp
(and I don't know how the *%&$^%* Atlanta made it to #5 on the big city list)!!!...... :o
I haven't had a problem being vegan anywhere I've lived, though you have to figure out which type of vegan you want to lean according to different areas. A lot of small towns don't even have tofu in their supermarkets, but always have the essentials. I've lived in Syracuse, Brockport, and Albany New York, and Dublin, Ireland. Brockport was the smallest, but they still had tofu and other assorted vegan staples in their markets, and this was 7 years ago.
I think it depends on where you're at. Since I've only lived in California, I'll use it as an example. On California's north coast, you'll find vegan items at stores and restaurants in large and small towns. Good luck in any sized city in California's central valley. In Southern California it's hit and miss by community.
To be honest I think a lot actually has to do with how liberal a city is and accepting of "alternative" lifestyles. I live out in the country now and it certainly is not a very "vegan friendly" environment...it is very very conservative.
Amen to that. We don't live in the country like Dave, but we live in the same (big) neighborhood (about an hour from him). For us, as I'm sure for many VegWebbers, living in a conservative community is hard. It seems that whatever we believe about anything is different from what everyone else believes. It gets tiring. I'm not a confrontational sort of person so I keep my mouth shut a lot--especially at work where I don't believe political, religious, lifestyle, etc. discussions belong. A hell of a lot of food discussions do go on, but I keep my mouth shut there, too. Most everyone knows I'm vegan and no one is asking me my opinion about anything or for any advice. One woman (actually a liberal one) brought up eating meat one time but then backtracked and said,"Don't tell me, I don't want to know" when she made a comment about food animals being mistreated. So I didn't say anything, but just nodded my head. She rushed on to change the subject.
The only other vegetarians I am around are my family and the children don't live at home anymore. Two don't even live nearby. Bookpapa knows a few veg*ans that go to church with him, however. There's one sad, sad little health food store here, but the Kroger (which takes us 30 mnutes to get to) has a few more emergency options for us than Publix which is closer. We have chosen to bite the bullet and drive weekly to the Whole Foods which is 45 minutes from us. Even there, I daresay, we are in the vast minority in our food choices and politics. It's a very yuppy-ish area.
Even taking all that into consideration, I like where we live, in terms of type of community. It's suburban (growing, unfortunately). We have cultural opportunities either here or within an hour's drive, we can see trees (although they are quickly going away for "progress"), and the pace of life is not too fast for us. I guess in terms of city, town, or country, we'd be considerered "town."
I agree with others who have mentioned factors other than just size of a place. I live in a town of 20,000 ish. I don't really care about dining out but if i did there wouldn't be any choices. we have a small natural foods store here where I can go, it is mostly staples, not specialty items, but that is fine with me i'm not usually looking for some specific vegan product just some wholesome organic food i can buy in bulk, which they have. we do have a small farmer's market twice a week that i always go to, but that will be over soon. a town about 45 minutes away has a really awesome co-op with the biggest bulk room i have ever seen. I go there every 4ish months a really really stock up. this method works out fine for me.
I grew up in the suburb of a city, its so easy to find fake meats, cheese, yogurt... anything. its expensive. but easy. i also really liked the huge farmers market every saturday with all of the amish farms from the other suburbs. then when i moved to a small town, i still had really great, smaller, farmers markets, but i also had more amish stores and farms to actually go to. living in a small town helped me to keep a budget on my food, because there werent any expensive 'fake' things to buy!
right now i live in one of the most conservative, meat hungry college towns in the country (College Station, home of Texas A&M), but there are still tons of chinese, pho, and indian restaurants along with one of the biggest health food stores ive ever seen (and a sweet asian market!). i agree that living in a liberal area is easier, people dont give you a weird face when you tell them youre vegan, but its not so bad in a conservative area. you just have more explaining and searching to do.
on another note about conservative areas. i met a vegetarian here that had never heard of vegan cheese or seitan! i told him i had a vegan california cheesesteak for dinner and he was so confused.
I live in a small town, but I drive 20 minutes to the local supermarket, which IS very vegan friendly. I can buy my omni DH and my food all in one place :)
I've lived in all three. Country; small farm about 120 acres outside of a very small town, City; Chicago, Town; Ottawa, IL pop 20,000.
Town has so far been the hardest for me. I don't have enough space to grow all my own food and people just look at you like you have a third eye when you say you are vegan and there are no restaurant options. The city was good for restaurant selection but I still live close enough to get to chicago when I have a free day. The country was probably the happiest for me. I can grow all my own fresh organic food and can/freeze enough to get me through the winter. I do almost all my own cooking anyway so the simple life suites me just fine. And with the web being what it is today I can order any specialty items I need such as nutritional yeast.
I can't help it I'll always be a country bumpkin ::)
I live in a small town right now in the middle of Wyoming. The easiness/hardness of eating vegan depends on habits and what you are used to. There is a natural food store that has limited vegan food, they will order food if you ask them. I have not been able to find any vegan cheese here, but I do not feel that I need it. My husband makes good bread and pizza dough. I do buy bread at the store also. I find that if the bread is made in the bakery, it is usually vegan. I just read the ingredients. With that said, I moved here from Eugene, Oregon. It is easy to be vegan in Eugene and delightful because there are many different style restaurants that offer delicious vegan meals. We are planning on moving back to Eugene in about 10 months :D!
I've lived in all three. Country; small farm about 120 acres outside of a very small town, City; Chicago, Town; Ottawa, IL pop 20,000.
Aw, I'm in Batavia, used to be in St. Charles. Hey neighbor.
I have only been veg*n in my town (pop. about 25000); TJ's is 5 mins away, two other grocery stores about 5 mins away, Woodmans (with a vegetarian section of two aisles) is about 10 mins away, a Fresh Market about 10 mins away, and Whole Foods about 25 mins away.
I love that, in order for me to not get bored with what I eat, I have to cook. This new lifestyle has me literally at the grocery store daily. I only buy what I know I'll use and I'm throwing away so much less. As a meat-eater, I was buying a ton of groceries one day a week and throwing so much more out. I'm grateful that I have so many options around me. I wish I lived in the city at times because of the vegan options as far as restaurants go. However, I was at a small restaurant in Geneva called Nosh and the chef came out and customized a lunch for me- it was wonderful.
I've lived in all three. Country; small farm about 120 acres outside of a very small town, City; Chicago, Town; Ottawa, IL pop 20,000.
Aw, I'm in Batavia, used to be in St. Charles. Hey neighbor.
I have only been veg*n in my town (pop. about 25000); TJ's is 5 mins away, two other grocery stores about 5 mins away, Woodmans (with a vegetarian section of two aisles) is about 10 mins away, a Fresh Market about 10 mins away, and Whole Foods about 25 mins away.
I love that, in order for me to not get bored with what I eat, I have to cook. This new lifestyle has me literally at the grocery store daily. I only buy what I know I'll use and I'm throwing away so much less. As a meat-eater, I was buying a ton of groceries one day a week and throwing so much more out. I'm grateful that I have so many options around me. I wish I lived in the city at times because of the vegan options as far as restaurants go. However, I was at a small restaurant in Geneva called Nosh and the chef came out and customized a lunch for me- it was wonderful.
I'll have to check out that resteraunt in Geneva, I'm looking for an excuse to bike to Geneva along the Prairie Path. By the way where is the Woodmans? I've never seen one around here.
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Woodmans is in North Aurora, off of Orchard Road. I take Randall to Orchard.
At Nosh I had a "Naked Salad" with marinated portabella mushrooms, no breadcrumbs, and dressing on the side. mmmmmmmm.
A friend of mine is obsessed with the ginger and honey pears. Don't know what your decision was about the honey, GESC, I passed, but he was loving them.
I used to live in an extremely small town (approx pop. 1800). I didn't have any problems being vegan. With 125 acres I had plenty of room to grow veggies to my heart's content. If I wanted anything "special" I just drove about 20 miles to a bigger grocery store and 45 miles to the HFS. All in all, I have to say that I'd prefer to be in the country. But that's more because I don't like having neighbors too close. Like right now I can see in my neighbor's bathroom from my kitchen. Yuck! Can't wait until I graduate and can move back to the "country".
I've lived in all three. Country; small farm about 120 acres outside of a very small town, City; Chicago, Town; Ottawa, IL pop 20,000.
Aw, I'm in Batavia, used to be in St. Charles. Hey neighbor.
I have only been veg*n in my town (pop. about 25000); TJ's is 5 mins away, two other grocery stores about 5 mins away, Woodmans (with a vegetarian section of two aisles) is about 10 mins away, a Fresh Market about 10 mins away, and Whole Foods about 25 mins away.
I love that, in order for me to not get bored with what I eat, I have to cook. This new lifestyle has me literally at the grocery store daily. I only buy what I know I'll use and I'm throwing away so much less. As a meat-eater, I was buying a ton of groceries one day a week and throwing so much more out. I'm grateful that I have so many options around me. I wish I lived in the city at times because of the vegan options as far as restaurants go. However, I was at a small restaurant in Geneva called Nosh and the chef came out and customized a lunch for me- it was wonderful.
Hey neighbor, Yeah the chicago suburbs have lots of grocery options that I don't. We only have a Kroger which has nice little organics section that I can get some staples at but If I want other options I have to drive to aurora which is about 45 minutes away and the closest whole foods is over an hour :(
Oh well some day I'll get back to living on a farm.
The hardest part about small town living for me is that it's like a farm town community type thing. A lot of these people find their livelihood in hunting, raising cattle (for slaughter, I guess, I try not to think about it), and showing animals in shows. Because of that, they take it as a personal offense that I don't support what they do...and the local winn dixie doesn't carry tofu or tempeh :(
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