Feeling Depressed and Isolated
You know, I never thought going veg would be this emotionally hard on me. I just feel so isolated.... I mean, while things with hubby have 'smoothed' over, it's not like he will stick up for me if someone else is raggin on me. His idea of supporting me is simply not raggin on me too. It's like I don't even want to get together with family or friends anymore because I'm so tired of being picked at for it.... nothing major or terribly insulting, but the constant 'teasing' is really getting on my nerves! My sister is coming to visit and stay with me this weekend and I'm not even looking forward to it. There is a family bbq on Saturday and I don't want to go. I haven't even really told my dad yet about me going veg. This will be the third bbq now with my dad in which I will bring my own food..... I'm sure I will probably get asked about it this time and I am not in the mood to deal with the questions and scrutiny right now.
I know absolutely no one else who is vegetarian AT ALL. It is like a forgien concept around here. I have no one to talk to about who understands, no one go out to eat with or share cooking tips or invite over who would be open to eating veg..... Ugh! I have this whole week off of work and I have not left the house once.....I think I'm going to make myself leave tomorrow and do something, even if it's by myself. Just needed to vent alittle...
Awwww, PB. I feel for you, I really do. I also know no veg people in real life except my younger sister (who I like to think I converted...), but she lives far far away.
Have you ever thought about writing a letter to your family? That way you could get all your thoughts out when you are feeling calm and you wouldn't actually have to answer questions under pressure. It will also prevent them from ganging up on you if they all get told at the same time.
You could say something like, dear family, I have decided to become veg for reasons X, Y, and Z. I have researched my decision and feel very confident about it. I know that you may not understand or agree with this decision, but I ask you to respect that it is mine to make. Rest assured that I will not judge you or try to change your beliefs. I would ask the same from you. At family gatherings, I would ask your support in allowing/preparing a veg option/refraining from negative or sarcastic comments about what I choose to eat. Etc. Etc.
Also, forgive me if I am way out of line here, and I may be, but something you said in one of your other posts tripped a red flag for me, speaking from personal experience....it kind of concerns me the lack of support you are getting from your husband. No one should ever intentionally make you feel bad about yourself or your choices, least of all the person you are married to. If you've truly communicated your feelings to him and asked him to support you/stand up for you and he still persists in being unsupportive....well, that just concerns me.
Just stick to your guns and sooner or later it will become who you are and the teasing will stop. You might ask your husband in a heart to heart to support you a little more. Tell him how much it hurts your feelings. My ex joined in a couple of friends making fun of me, and I nipped it in the bud then and there and he never did it again.
Also, don't loose your sense of humor and take yourself so seriously. Sometimes we can take a little teasing. Make a joke of it. Once my friends said...."there's nothing for Tweety to eat here....but just send him out that lot over there, there's plenty of grass for him to munch on." I laughed until I cried. Nothing wrong with joining in the fun and making fun of ourselves.
Thank God for the internet, because I'm pretty much the only vegetarian I know as well.
I just want to offer you my support--it seems unthinkable that one could close friends and family and face ridacule and humiliation just for choosing to eat or not eat certain foods. It's very sad. I'm so sorry you are being hit so hard by this--but we are so happy that you found our little community--I hope we can make you feel loved!
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I'm so sorry you have to go through this. I think going veg is hard on everyone at first, especially if you don't have a network of people willing to be supportive, but you seem to be having a really rough time of it. Is there any way you could get in touch with like-minded people in your area online? Or maybe check out your local health food places and ask around in there. Maybe if there isn't any group of veg people, you could start one?
I agree with Tweety about nipping your husband's behaviour in the bud right away. It may be that he honestly doesn't realise how much he's upsetting you.
Finally, I notice on your profile you're interested in finding penpals. I was thinking of starting a thread on that very topic, maybe that would be another way to feel like you're making contact with veg people?
Awwww, PB. I feel for you, I really do. I also know no veg people in real life except my younger sister (who I like to think I converted...), but she lives far far away.
Have you ever thought about writing a letter to your family? That way you could get all your thoughts out when you are feeling calm and you wouldn't actually have to answer questions under pressure. It will also prevent them from ganging up on you if they all get told at the same time.
You could say something like, dear family, I have decided to become veg for reasons X, Y, and Z. I have researched my decision and feel very confident about it. I know that you may not understand or agree with this decision, but I ask you to respect that it is mine to make. Rest assured that I will not judge you or try to change your beliefs. I would ask the same from you. At family gatherings, I would ask your support in allowing/preparing a veg option/refraining from negative or sarcastic comments about what I choose to eat. Etc. Etc.
Also, forgive me if I am way out of line here, and I may be, but something you said in one of your other posts tripped a red flag for me, speaking from personal experience....it kind of concerns me the lack of support you are getting from your husband. No one should ever intentionally make you feel bad about yourself or your choices, least of all the person you are married to. If you've truly communicated your feelings to him and asked him to support you/stand up for you and he still persists in being unsupportive....well, that just concerns me.
You're fine and I thank you for speaking your mind. I know what you are saying about hubby. You all are hearing one side of him (which is my fault), he has many other sides that very wonderful and loving. I am just giving it time and we'll see what happens. He doesn't really say much about the veg thing anymore, it just bothers me he doesn't come to my defense when others are picking. He has actually told more people than I have just so I don't have to deal with it I guess. From what I hear he is supportive when he tells people, I wish he would be more supportive when I am around though. He thinks I need to learn to stick up for myself, have a tougher skin. In some ways he is probably right about that. I'm sure over time I will find ways to deal being the only veg*n person in my life....I know I'm not the only one here on VW in the same situation. I can tell you no amount of criticism from others will change my mind. I've been thinking about doing this for years and I'm sure as hell not going back now. I just wish I had someone who I could talk to and get excited with about it that actually cared about what I was saying. I think the penpal thing may help (thanks Catski :))
I might call my dad before this weekend and just tell him. that way if he's super critical (which he will be) we can both get it out one-on-one instead of in front of the whole family this weekend....
Anyway, thanks for your post, I appreciate all support I can get. It really does help!
I just want to offer you my support--it seems unthinkable that one could close friends and family and face ridacule and humiliation just for choosing to eat or not eat certain foods. It's very sad. I'm so sorry you are being hit so hard by this--but we are so happy that you found our little community--I hope we can make you feel loved!
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Just stick to your guns and sooner or later it will become who you are and the teasing will stop. You might ask your husband in a heart to heart to support you a little more. Tell him how much it hurts your feelings. My ex joined in a couple of friends making fun of me, and I nipped it in the bud then and there and he never did it again.
Also, don't loose your sense of humor and take yourself so seriously. Sometimes we can take a little teasing. Make a joke of it. Once my friends said...."there's nothing for Tweety to eat here....but just send him out that lot over there, there's plenty of grass for him to munch on." I laughed until I cried. Nothing wrong with joining in the fun and making fun of ourselves.
Thank God for the internet, because I'm pretty much the only vegetarian I know as well.
I hear you Tweety...I have been told to lighten up and have a sense of humor....I guess I'm not use to being the butt of a joke. But you are right, I need to learn to rise above all the pettiness and laugh a long and the teasing will probably stop. After all, if they get no reaction, it's no longer fun right???? The grass joke you told me sounds like one I've already gotten (LOL).
you've got to get in the right mind set. you are aren't the one eating wierd, they are! and if they know they are getting to you, they will keep doing it. when my friends say stuff like, ooohhhh look at this bloody ribeye, doesn't it look good? I'm thinking, yeah, I will get the last laugh when your arteries are clogged! You shouldn't be ashamed or embarrassed, be proud. when they don't get a reaction out of you, they will stop.
If I was in your position I think I'd get that t-shirt that says "meat..it's what is rotting in your colon" and wear it to all family functions. Whenever my family says anything I just tell them to bite me and move on to people more open minded.
i feel for you guys. for the most part, my family is supportive, although they still ask me if i want a steak or a hamburger or tunafish sandwich lol it gets really frustrating, like nobody takes me seriously. especially when my grandparents (who are cuban and dont speak much english) offer me food and tell me there is no bacon or pork in it and then upon closer inspection i discover little bits of it..they dont mean any harm but vegetarianism is such a foreign concept to them. i dont have any vegan friends either and im CONSTANTLY getting made fun of for what i dont (and do) eat. for example, i was just at a party the fourth of july and my boyfriend likes to announce to everyone that im vegan (he thinks its funny) and some obnoxious man called me a communist? lol he then said "oh well we have food without meat because we care deeply about our vegetarian friends...YEAH FCKIN RIGHT!".. he though he was so funny and i was so annoyed by him that i just left. people can be so rude but i think it IS important to be proud and stand your ground.
i was just at a party the fourth of july and my boyfriend likes to announce to everyone that im vegan (he thinks its funny) and some obnoxious man called me a communist? lol he then said "oh well we have food without meat because we care deeply about our vegetarian friends...YEAH FCKIN RIGHT!".. he though he was so funny and i was so annoyed by him that i just left. people can be so rude but i think it IS important to be proud and stand your ground.
I just had to comment on this. I was at a picnic & someone else told this guy I was a vegetarian (funny that strangers are discussing my diet - WTF?) Anyway he was making rude comments to me all day, then finally he comes out with "you know Hitler was a vegetarian". He does this at a table full of other people I didn't know. I don't even know how I responded. How does one respond to that? Was he seriously comparing me to Hitler? Or was he just a fucking idiot with a depraved sense of humor?
Anyway, Pooh Bear I feel your pain. I never really developed a thick skin. I am an extremely sensitive person & I don't know how to do that. I don't react well when I'm singled out and criticized, especially in front of other people. I think it's interesting that people don't normally make the really rude comments unless they are in a group of other people. I don't get many downright rude comments much anymore. So, I'm not really sure how I would handle them now. My immediate family doesn't have a problem with me being veg anymore. My extended family has for the most part accepted it. My friends are open-minded and don't give a crap. Anymore, if anyone has something to say about it - it's usually a stupid question. Mostly, they just comment on how much they like meat and could never go veg ::) I think I handle that kind of stuff a lot better than I used to.
I think that part of why it can be really lonely being a vegetarian has nothing to do with what you eat. I think it's more about how we see the world. At least for me it is. My eyes have been opened & there is no going back. And I would not want to. I carry around the knowledge of the horrors that occur so people can stuff a McDonald's hamburger in there face and most people could give a shit. Yeah, I'd say it's pretty isolating....Your journey is just beginning, take comfort in the fact that you are doing the right thing. I want to thank you for being a vegetarian. YOU have made the world a better place.
I was at a picnic & someone else told this guy I was a vegetarian (funny that strangers are discussing my diet - WTF?) Anyway he was making rude comments to me all day, then finally he comes out with "you know Hitler was a vegetarian".
I would have responded with: "oh, well that is interesting because so was Einstein".
I think we all have our examples of why we feel isolated and alone, there are so few vegetarians out there. I am also the only veggie I know. My mom used to be hard on me about it too, she would say things like "why do you have to eat so wierd?". But at the beginning my cooking wasn't so good. But I have had a few years to practice. This past weekend was great. I am ovo-lacto so I still eat cheese. Monday, my last day there, mom and my stepdad had to go to work, so I made dinner. I made some cheese and broccoli stuffed shells baked with tomatoes and green beans on the side. It was delicious. Mom was floored, she was like "This is delicious!" and "I don't miss having meat at all!" and my stepdad had 9 shells! I couldn't believe it, they were large shells, I could only eat 3.
So my secret it to cook for them, show them how much better vegetarian food tastes and they will stop picking on you! My mom said that she wants me to do the cooking from now on. No more picking on me.
I just had to comment on this. I was at a picnic & someone else told this guy I was a vegetarian (funny that strangers are discussing my diet - WTF?) Anyway he was making rude comments to me all day, then finally he comes out with "you know Hitler was a vegetarian". He does this at a table full of other people I didn't know. I don't even know how I responded. How does one respond to that? Was he seriously comparing me to Hitler?
Just for the record, Hitler was not a vegetarian - much less vegan. His personal chef reported that his favorite dish was squab (pigeon) - which, if I'm not mistaken, is not a vegetable!
I don't know why people report he was vegetarian, year after year, but they keep repeating it as if that will make it come true. I suspect they're the same group of people who say - "oh, you're vegetarian? but you do eat chicken/fish/etc, don't you?"
PB, I know exactly how you feel. I went veg for about 6 months a few years ago, but it was so hard because I was all alone and everyone was giving me a hard time about it. It actually caused me to go back to being an omni for a while. Shortly after I went back though, one of my best buds decided he was going to go veg too. I think I had influenced him a great bit and then he moved in with some friends of his who were thinking about doing it too.
I think what you need to remember is that you are doing this for you and not for anyone else. It took me a while to fully understand that, but once I did, I didn't look back. And I'm not going to, either. Having others who are veg helps, but when I went back to veg*nism, it was for me.
Give your family time, they'll come around. They're probably in the "it's a phase" stage. Most of my family will now at least try some of the stuff that I make or bring to family gatherings, but it took them a long time to do that. Also, they just started accomodating me. Nothing major, just veggie burgers. But they are trying and for that I give them thanks.
Just let them know how it's making you feel. If that doesn't work, stop coming around and when they call asking if you can make it, tell them that you can't because they don't respect your decisions in life. Guilt trips work wonders on your loved ones, you know. ;)
I just had to comment on this. I was at a picnic & someone else told this guy I was a vegetarian (funny that strangers are discussing my diet - WTF?) Anyway he was making rude comments to me all day, then finally he comes out with "you know Hitler was a vegetarian". He does this at a table full of other people I didn't know. I don't even know how I responded. How does one respond to that? Was he seriously comparing me to Hitler? Or was he just a fucking idiot with a depraved sense of humor?
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Hitler was a *pescatarian* :P You know people get vegetarian and pescatarian confused (on account of the fish trees).
To the OP -- Have you spoken to your husband about how you need him to support you when people are challenging your veg*nism? He may honestly just not know what he's supposed to do or say. My boyfriend is an omni who eats veg*n at home, and he's very good at defending my veg*nism and his decision to eat that way at home. At first he didn't say anything, but now even HE is offended when people speak negatively about veg*nism and gets defensive. He doesn't even discuss the politics or ethics behind it, he usually leaves it at " She's a great cook, the food is delicious, and who would turn down a delicious hot homemade meal that you didn't have to make yourself??" That may not apply to your situation, but maybe you could "script" out a few statements for him like "I'm proud of my wife for making healthy choices for us" or "I'm happy to have such a compassionate wife." I'm not entirely sure of the situations, but really, prompt him on what to say. They often just don't know.
I was fortunate to make the switch to a veg*n diet young (15), and my family was unphased by it (former hippy parents), and so everyone who has known me in my adult life has known me as a veg*n, and by now I am secure enough in the lifestyle and have heard just about every stupid comment anyone could come up with so it takes no thought to throw back a biting remark. You'll get there too. It just takes time.
PB, one thing i found very helpful was to make real life veg acquaintances. I joined my local meetups.com group for vegans and we had a get togethers about twice a month in Tucson. I am also going to join the one here in Hartford. I didn't really connect strongly with the folks at my meetup.com veg meeting, but that is because I'm so shy. I made really good friends with the people in my writing group because I talked more. Even though i wasn't best buddies with the veg folks, it was refreshing to get together with people who had similar beliefs and share yummy food and advice, tips and stories.
I'm not sure what part of CO you are in but I highly recommend a meetups.com group to anyone looking for veg connections! Check it out! If one does not exist in your area, you can always lead one.
You guys are all so great, thanks! Vegheadzealia I have thought about looking for some kind of veg group in the area.... I would think at the very least Boulder and/or Ft. Collins might have something because of the universities.
After reading everyone's stories of things other people have said to them it helps SO much because I know I'm not the only one! So thank you guys for that :)>>>
I will never understand why people feel the need to say the things they do though.... I mean becoming vegetarian is about living a more humane and healthy life style. I have no idea what people could see wrong in that????? If anything it says you're a very compassionate person and that you care about something besides yourself..... whatever. I have talked to hubby about being more vocal about supporting me and in his opinion he hasn't really felt it warranted. He see's the other people who are picking on me as just joking around and tells me I need to lighten up and grow a sense of humor. ::)
I am with you purpledancer, I'm so thin skinned really....SO sensitive. I always have been so I don't know if I'll be able to grow a thicker skin but I suppose I'll try to some degree just so I'm not so frickin devestated all the time! There have been a couple of friends that are supportive, but its few and far between.
I think I'm going to call both parents tonight and just get it over with and tell them.... wish me luck on that one ;)b I think mom will be okay, but she's going to want to talk....f-o-r-e-v-e-r about it..... my mother is a talker and I don't feel like giving her a long explanation! My dad will be a tough one, he is going to think it's stupid and riduculous but oh well. :P
I think two huge factors in the critical-teasing thing are 1) guilt - if you're doing something healthy (say quitting smoking) while they're not, they figure the best defense is a good offense and 2) the need to be cool - people will join in teasing someone else for the anticipated laughter/social approval from others.
On the first - you can make it clear that you're not judging them, or expecting them to adopt your lifestyle - live and let live.
On the second, explaining to family members how you feel one-on-one can be a big help - a laugh from a crowd isn't worth hurting someone for - but they have to know it hurts you in order to be more supportive.
I guess I'm blessed with a stubborn streak - the teasing almost never bothers me if its not mean-spirited - when pushed, I tend to tease omnis about their taste for something awfully reminiscent of roadkill. ;)
People feel the need to say things about your choices because they could be defensive. If you say "I switched to vegetarian to be more compassionate and healthy" what they hear is "If your not vegetarian you are not compassionate and unhealthy". So be sure to stress how it revolves around you. "This was right for me" and "I feel so much better eating this way".
Offer up good food. Convert old stand by recipes to vegetarian ones. Introduce new cuisine and veggies. Reassure them that being veggie doesnt contract what you eat, it expands it.
Oh, PoohBear!
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I just imagine myself sounding like Piglet saying that. ;D
Anyway, look, just trust me- I had such a hard time with my family at first, too. I moved away to be with my boyfriend last year, and when I went back to WV to visit, SURPRISE! I don't eat meat!
How can I not eat meat? MDVegan will certainly attest to the fact that my entire familyis the opposite of vegetarian. They purchase and raise cows and pigs for food. They treat them like beloved pets and then eat them. That's CRAZY. You think you've got it bad? You should meet my folks and aunts/uncles/cousins/hillbillies.
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But you know... I didn't make a big deal of it. My mom said "It's just a phase," my dad said "Well, you can cook your own food then." My extended family doesn't talk about it as if I have some sort of disease... although my cousin actually made dinner for me one night- baked potatoes with fresh corn on the cob. I love my family, and I know they love me. But I've always been a black sheep.... so it's nothing new to be odd in their company.
You just have to weather the storm, so to speak. It's rough. Just when that stress went away, I had to go meet my boyfriend's parents... and now I'm going through it all over again. The questions, the concerns, "Where do you get your protein?"
Don't kid yourself and say "This will be simple." Prepare yourself. You need one heck of a shield to deflect all the things people do when they don't understand something. And that's all it is- they don't understand. You are doing something different. They don't get it. You might even be causing them to look at themselves differently. Your being vegetarian might make them wonder if you see them as bad people for eating meat. Folks don't like to look at themselves in that sort of light.
Just smile. Pass the green beans. Don't make a big deal of it. Let them make their jokes. Let them ask their questions. If they get disrespectful, politely tell them you never asked them to change anything about themselves and you'd appreciate the same respect. Hang up the phone, walk away, let them come to you when they're ready.
It'll be fine. Don't focus on the negative. Don't bend to the pressure. Just eat and be merry. ;)b
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