Frustrated
Posted by Anonymous on Sep 11, 2007 · Member since Dec 1969 · 11789 posts
how do you guys cope with feelings of "things would be much easier if I didnt care"?
just finished reading some more on slaughterhouses and animal agriculture...and Im just frustrated and feeling powerless because I cant do anything about any of it
sometimes the fact that I dont support it, and actively try to positively influence others to do the same has helped me feel better.....not lately though
I find what helps me is getting into a really strong debate with "the other side". I never actually start these debates, but when people hear that I am vegan, a near-argument inevitably starts.
My counter arguments kick the ass of anything they can come up with, and if I can leave the conversation with them going "...OK well maybe..." then I feel much better.
Amanda: Planting the Seeds of Doubt in Omnis since 1995.
You're in San Diego, right?
Well then here's another thing you can do TODAY (the 11th), with lots of like-minded people! Could be too late, but....
Rod Coronado's trial. More about him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Coronado if you don't already know!
please get here:
940 Front Street
San Diego, CA
3rd floor, Room 5
Judge Miller's courtroom
9am
Also, someone else wrote this. It sums up why you should support Rod Coronado very well.
"i won't try to sell you on "constitutional rights" or any other junk, i'm just gonna be clear with you:
support rod coronado. he's an animal liberationist and understands the destructive nature of civilization. he didn't bullshit around with reformism and morality-based bullshit, he went and saved wild animals."
supportROD.org
I would be there to show my support if I could.
The only actions you can control is yourself. And it does help not a little but alot the animals. The last time I heard there was 10 million vegetarians in the US and that was a long time ago. To me anything at least a million is excellent.
Believe me the animal industry feels that that's why they pay for anti-vegetarian studies :D. I read that somewhere. The meat eaters don't get to me as much as the animal industry does.
how do you guys cope with feelings of "things would be much easier if I didnt care"?
just finished reading some more on slaughterhouses and animal agriculture...and Im just frustrated and feeling powerless because I cant do anything about any of it
sometimes the fact that I dont support it, and actively try to positively influence others to do the same has helped me feel better.....not lately though
To borrow a line or so from a song you probably know:
"People say, "Well, if they don't care, why should I care?"
I say, "If I don't care, why should anyone care?"
To over-simplify the philosophy of Albert Camus, do it to give the finger to the universe. You may not make a difference, but you don't have to do it their way. By being true to yourself, you can find the strength to go on because honesty and truth are rare commodities. Ones you posess. You've peeled trhough layers of lies, half-truths and myths. You've come out on the other side a different man, a changed one.
Progression through unlearning, friend. Not regression through uncaring.
yeah, I know about the trial today, unfortunantly working graveyard all night is destroying my resolve in going, since falling asleep in the courtroom wont do anyone any good...plus Im not sure I see sitting in a courtroom doing any good either, protesting outside would, sitting there watching a trial not so much
Not like I want to give up and say "F-ck it", I just have a hard time sometimes when all these horrible things seem to happen constantly every day and nothing ever changes
I have been feeling this way too lately! Perfect example--a few days ago I recieved my KFC protest materials and I have talking to my roommate about all the terrible things they do--scalding ckickes alive, cutting off their beaks, ect and the next day he came home with KFC! WTF?!?!? He told me that all my talk of chickens made him hungry...well that was f*ing counter productove!
Stay the course man--we all go through it!
i have a hard time blaming people for doing that, mainly because I was the same way for so many years
its more frusterated at society in general about a ton of things
bah!
I know exactly what you are talking about Adam. My family and all of my non vegweb friends are omni's, and I am constantly defending myself, or telling them to f off. You just have to keep on keepin on.
In my opinion, there is going to have to be a revolution before the big change comes, and I'm not talking about the so called "green revolution" but one in which businesses and governments are going to have to bow on bended knee to Truth.
i know how you feel :). Now that we're doing all of this americanized stuff in honors history it just makes me more angry. sorry that i don't have pride for a country where all we do is take, take, take, try to convert everyone, fight, and take meat. in lhonors literature we went over south africa...and that kind of upset me too. i wish we could a :(ll just live in peace...... but that's life i guess... :-\
i feel the same way chickpea.... about the whole "nationalism" ahem, i mean "patriotism".
ive been feeling discouraged too,not so much about veg'nism, but about the environment.
i think: "im not gonna be around that long" and i'm not having kids, so what difference does it really make to me? why am i trying to save the earth for ignorant, unaware gas suckers?
i think we all go thru it.
its the price of the conscience i suppose.
i think: "im not gonna be around that long" and i'm not having kids, so what difference does it really make to me? why am i trying to save the earth for ignorant, unaware gas suckers?
no! don't think that way! that the exact mindset of this guy i had one of my most recent disputes with. i know you aren't really serious, but....
how do you guys cope with feelings of "things would be much easier if I didnt care"?
just finished reading some more on slaughterhouses and animal agriculture...and Im just frustrated and feeling powerless because I cant do anything about any of it
sometimes the fact that I dont support it, and actively try to positively influence others to do the same has helped me feel better.....not lately though
how do you guys cope with feelings of "things would be much easier if I didnt care"?
just finished reading some more on slaughterhouses and animal agriculture...and Im just frustrated and feeling powerless because I cant do anything about any of it
sometimes the fact that I dont support it, and actively try to positively influence others to do the same has helped me feel better.....not lately though
honestly, i feel this way all the time, but i figure what good would it do me to stop. and how many people don't take steps towards healing because they don't believe only they can do any good? i think a lot of people rationalize their behavior with 'everyone else is doing it' kind of mindsets... but i think slowly people might be catching on ???
hopefully... anyway (and in most of this i really don't refer to veganism/ solely veganism, but SO MANY other things)
p.s. i think most people are just ignorant (not on purpose, they just haven't been told what repercussions their actions are having). i find that many people i have normal conversations with is at least a little more sensitive to all kinds of issues that the general populous does not realize.