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Plea of desperation to teachers.

Dear teachers of vegweb,

2 of my 3 classes (block schedule) suck, behaviorally.  They are an absolute embarrassment.  I can't even begin to tell you.  Please tell me:

- That you sucked too when you started
- What kind of class procedure systems you like
- What kind of management systems you like
- Any other tricks you may have as far as investment, behavior, etc., are concerned.

Basically, being a teacher is grinding my soul into a bloody pulp.

Love,
Ms. KMK
7th Grade Math

I'm just here for love and support. As always. :iloveyou:

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I don't have any advice really, but my mom's a teacher (preschool...3 year olds) and 7 of her 14 students this year are absolute terrors.  Thought it might make you feel better to know that you're not alone in your frustration.

7th graders can really suck.  I was one of the "good kids" in 7th grade and I still don't know how my parents put up with me sometimes.  ::) Good luck!

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:-*

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My mom ruled her first graders with the iron rule of Stalin.  One time I was at the back of the classroom waiting for her.  While she was writing on the whiteboard a boy got up, walked a couple of desks back, and socked another boy in a the arm so hard that he fell out of his chair.  Both boys were both back in their seats by the time my mom turned around.  I asked her later about it and she had no idea any of that happened.

It's sometimes tough, even for veteran teachers.

Um... that wasn't supposed to discourage you.  She devoted her waking life to those kids.  We'd get her things for her classroom for presents because the only way we knew her was in the context of being a teacher.  By the end of the year, the kids would learn what they needed to learn, but it wasn't always smooth.

What advice does you mom have?  She was a teacher, right?

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What advice does you mom have?  She was a teacher, right?

Yup, still is!  She teaches high school.

I haven't really talked to her in the past week.  Her advice is pretty standard, ya know.  I mean, no offense or anything.  But "Just don't put up with it" means nothing to me.  Also, she teaches at a very reputable high school, so the behavior problems are a little different.  I'll ask her though.  My dad used to teach in city schools - he might be better to ask.  On the other hand, my mom is a petite female, and my dad is a 6'2" weight lifter.  So, ya know.  ::)

I am going to have one of the "teacher coaches" (basically a go-to person for anything in the school) to come watch me and then see what she thinks.  That way we can say, is it environmental factors, is it something I say, something I do, etc.  Meh.  Still don't want to go to school tomorrow.  I have this neat math menu activity planned though!

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I don't have any words of advice, but...

I remember when I was in 7th/8th grade that I was in those classes with all the really obnoxious kids. They made the teachers cry they were so disrespectful! I felt so bad for those people. One of them was a beginning teacher like you, too, but another had been teaching for something like 30 years...yeah. So teaching definitely sucks sometimes. And you aren't alone. <3

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I don't have any words of advice, but...

I remember when I was in 7th/8th grade that I was in those classes with all the really obnoxious kids. They made the teachers cry they were so disrespectful! I felt so bad for those people. One of them was a beginning teacher like you, too, but another had been teaching for something like 30 years...yeah. So teaching definitely sucks sometimes. And you aren't alone. <3

Well, I don't cry.  Not in class.  Never even felt close to crying in class.  I've felt lie throwing things and/or children, but not crying.  So that makes me feel OK. 

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Dear KMK--

My Palm just went off, telling me it was time for orchestra. I'm a teacher of much older students, but I'm married to someone who teaches in a similar environment. I will see if I can get him to give any words of wisdom, but in the meantime...

YES, they did suck when he started.

I hope that that's a good 20% of an answer.

Caroleena

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Keep being positive and don't try to blame yourself!  The mere fact that you are coming here asking for help means you're more dedicated to making sure your kids actually learn unlike a lot of other teachers.  If it helps try to put yourself in their shoes when you were in 7th grade and try to approach the situation from their point of view.  Try talking to other teachers who have the children in other classes.  Maybe they had the same problems at one point.

Stay positive!  You can do it!

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One of the most successful things a teacher of mine did once or twice when a class would get out of control was just simply walk out and slam the door. Wait 15 minutes or so and just walk back in. Also, a gavel is useful to get their attention with.

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My Palm just went off, telling me it was time for orchestra.

What do you play?  I play violin.  I sooo wish my school had orchestra.  I would be all over that.  I miss you, Murdock (my violin's name is Murdock).

One of the most successful things a teacher of mine did once or twice when a class would get out of control was just simply walk out and slam the door. Wait 15 minutes or so and just walk back in. Also, a gavel is useful to get their attention with.

See, they can't even handle the "I'll wait...." for quiet.  I think if I left the room for 10 seconds there would be bloodshed.  That's how bad they are.  This might work for my honors kids in the future though.  Little over-achievers.

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If only we had the same last name!!! When my mom taught on a reservation in the 70's, one of the parent's carved a paddle for her with "Mrs._______" on it. I always told my dad that if I ever taught, I'd have that hanging next to my desk, and just smack the desk w/ it when the kids got too rowdy. Nothing like a little intimidation!

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;D

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If only we had the same last name!!! When my mom taught on a reservation in the 70's, one of the parent's carved a paddle for her with "Mrs._______" on it. I always told my dad that if I ever taught, I'd have that hanging next to my desk, and just smack the desk w/ it when the kids got too rowdy. Nothing like a little intimidation!

My high school history teacher had a moose bone that he would slam on student's desks to scare us. All in good fun though.

At least, that's what I thought.

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If only we had the same last name!!! When my mom taught on a reservation in the 70's, one of the parent's carved a paddle for her with "Mrs._______" on it. I always told my dad that if I ever taught, I'd have that hanging next to my desk, and just smack the desk w/ it when the kids got too rowdy. Nothing like a little intimidation!

My high school history teacher had a moose bone that he would slam on student's desks to scare us. All in good fun though.

At least, that's what I thought.

Not vegan anyway.  :-D

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hahaa, there was this one "sub of doom" that we had at my middle school...he would walk around the class with his yard stick and SLAM it down on their desk whenever someone was talking when they shouldn't be. Whenever the regular math teacher would be like, "Okay class, I won't be here tomorrow..." people would be like, "DON'T CALL MR. CALCE! NOOOO!!!"

Start giving strikes/detentions. I think that's what those teachers of mine did. Have a big ol' serious talk with them one class, and let them know that you're going to be stricter. When they get X amount of strikes, give them detention! 

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KMK let me know what you come up with to control your classroom. middle school and high school math and/or science is what I'm interested in teaching.

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Start giving strikes/detentions. I think that's what those teachers of mine did. Have a big ol' serious talk with them one class, and let them know that you're going to be stricter. When they get X amount of strikes, give them detention! 

We've done the serious talk.  We've written, spoken, read, thought about the big picture of good behavior, how school is a privilege, blah blah blah.

We can't do detention though.  It suxors.  We can send people to this one administrator though.  I'm already putting some people on behavior probation for tomorrow, which means points off Thursday's quiz if they make ONE slip, and getting no credit for today's classwork, but strikes on the board might be good too.  Makes it visual.  

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KMK, first of all, I know others have said this, but the fact that you care enough to seek help says volumes about you as not only a teacher, but a good one. It can be a very emotionally tough job because you care so much yet feel so ineffective sometimes.

My first year in Houston, I taught middle school special ed. They pretty much ate me alive when I first got there. Towards the middle and end of the year, things were better, but still far far far from perfect. One thing that helped me a lot was to stay in frequent contact with parents. I’m sure you’ve heard this before, but positive phone calls really have made a difference for me, every year. Make sure the parents know to tell the kids that their teacher called and why. The kids will most likely be shocked. Call 5 per night. Start with the hardest ones. Also, then parents will be more likely to back you up if you do need their support reinforcing a homework plan or consequence. Also, I think it is good to know your administration well and keep them posted on things you’ve tried. That lets them know that you are serious about your teaching and also makes them more likely to help you out when you really need it. I’m sure you posted and discussed classroom rules – its funny, when I left middle school to go to elementary special ed, my roommate and I used to compare stories (she was still in middle school) and our kids would do the EXACT SAME THINGS, only mine were 5 and had an organic reason for their behavior. That makes me think that even in middle school, your kids are likely to need lots of practice practice practice at what you expect behaviorally in terms of general rules, but also in terms of procedures (like sharpening pencils, turning in homework, putting away supplies, etc.). Another mistake I made my first year was trying to do too much too fast. I had all these cool activity ideas and I was always trying to get them to work in groups, which were really hard to keep on task, no matter what I did. Sometimes you have to scale back and have them do seatwork, even though it kills you a little bit, so that you can manage your classroom and do individual or small group work. This makes it a little easier to individualize what they are doing too. Another mistake I made (and still make) is automatically thinking if something doesn’t work the first few times, I need to switch it all up. In reality, it takes 3-5 weeks of CONSISTENT implementation for some behavior systems to kick in. If kids figure out that their behavior is getting you riled up (even if you don’t show it outwardly – changing your reactions to things too many times will clue them in!) they will persist at inventing all sorts of new ways to not do their work and drive you nuts. When they break a rule, provided they know the consequence, enforce it EVERY TIME. Natural consequences are the best. Involving kids in thinking of good natural consequences can be helpful.

Everyone has bad classes and bad days. Try not to beat yourself up over it. I know its hard not to!! My mother told me once not to be so arrogant to assume I would be the only teacher who would ever care about these kids. And while it pissed me off at first, I realized she was right. You will not reach every kid. You will try your damndest, but you will not. And there will be other teachers, coaches, employers, friends, and family members somewhere along the line for those kids. It does not mean you loved them any less, or that you failed them, or that you are not a good teacher. Keep your chin up. Tings will get better and those kids will make you prouder than you ever thought you could feel.

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1 part Dangerous Minds, 1 part Pay it Forward, throw in a dash of Stand By Me.. maybe season with some Step Up and The Color Purple  and serve with some Jackie Chan! Mix and repeat. You may reward me with baked goods in the mail.

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