Plea of desperation to teachers.
Posted by KissMeKate on Sep 02, 2008 · Member since Aug 2007 · 7322 posts
Dear teachers of vegweb,
2 of my 3 classes (block schedule) suck, behaviorally. They are an absolute embarrassment. I can't even begin to tell you. Please tell me:
- That you sucked too when you started
- What kind of class procedure systems you like
- What kind of management systems you like
- Any other tricks you may have as far as investment, behavior, etc., are concerned.
Basically, being a teacher is grinding my soul into a bloody pulp.
Love,
Ms. KMK
7th Grade Math
1 part Dangerous Minds, 1 part Pay it Forward, throw in a dash of Stand By Me.. maybe season with some Step Up and The Color Purple and serve with some Jackie Chan! Mix and repeat. You may reward me with baked goods in the mail.
I'm sorry, qué?
I do like Stand By Me.
How about Full House, PK? Maybe I need some Uncle Joey. Or better yet, some Alanis to go all angry chick on them.
I meant to post this earlier but something happened:
Thanks pp! I knew I could count on you.
The admins at my school are very very good, and don't tolerate bullshit. So I know they support me.
Good to know about not throwing things out the window. I think I do that sometimes, and it's bad because it's inconsistent.
I definitely need to start calling kids. Im going to get on that tomorrow. I'm so busy with lesson plans that I often forget.
It's also hard because the other 2 7th grade teachers are vet teachers. They have all these things down. One is an absolute perfectionist. I thought I was a perfectionist, but I look like absolute slop next to her. And sometimes I feel like, when I tell them my ideas, they'll be like, "Oh, isn't that cute...." I mean, I know they WON'T, but I don't want to sound pretentious. Especially coming from a certain reputable teacher recruiting organization. I don't want them to think I have a chip on my shoulder. They DON'T, but I still worry about it.
My Palm just went off, telling me it was time for orchestra.
What do you play? I play violin. I sooo wish my school had orchestra. I would be all over that. I miss you, Murdock (my violin's name is Murdock).
I play the viola. Look at the "open letters" thread--there's one to him on there just a couple before your letter to your students.
After reading your post again, I thought that you wanted confirmation that the students sucked. While I"m happy to do that ( >:D) I'm not going to give any confirmation that any first-year teacher sucks. Does it get easier over time? HECK yes. There's nothing in the world that can prepare you for what you actually get to in the classroom, and you just continue to build your arsenal over time. Also, you start to gain a sense of metacognition about the whole thing, and you're better able to separate your actions from the situation and admit that, sometimes, it really is THEM.
DH is asleep, so I really can't ask him now. But, just a few things I"m sure he would say:
1. I'm so happy to hear that you feel that you have the support of the administration. Having SOMEONE more senior back you up (an administrator preferably, or maybe just a mentor teacher who has been around the block) gives you a sounding board AND protects you if a student or parent tries to argue back about something.
2. I'd hate to say this, but I think he'd also tell you not to be afraid of sending the major instigator out of the room. Many times it's not the ENTIRE class (though maybe sometimes it is), rather it's just a few instigators who make everyone else insane (who may rotate depending on the day, weather, moon position, etc.). Sure you don't want them to lose instructional time--but if the alternative is EVERYONE losing instructional time, it doesn't seem so bad.
3. I second the calling of the parents. When things start turning around, don't forget to call the parents and tell them the good things going on with their child as well!
And... just about everything PP said could be applied to any population of students at any level. (You'd better believe that I still have to remember the "scale it back" mantra when planning for my graduate students!)
One of my jobs is teaching adolescent development to pre-service middle school education majors getting ready to work in the urban core. So, I feel you!
I am currently reading a hand book my associate teacher gave me during my teaching placement in the hight school from hell and this is my classroom management plan that I am obviously still working on and these are the three main areas you need to focus on when it comes to classroom management.
Prevention:
I feel misbehaviour can be prevented by establishing a safe, secure environment based on mutual respect co-operation and trust.
I will do this by:
□ establishing clear classroom rules and logical consequences(hold students accountable for their behaviour)
□ building a positive relationship with my students
□ using effective teaching strategies that focus on motivating those that are unmotivated through interesting and unique lessons,
□ developing clear procedures for classroom activities: handing in assignments, preparation for class, coming in and out of class, asking and answering questions.
Action:
As a teacher I will develop strategies to successfully intervene when students misbehave and strategies for dealing with highly volatile students.
Resolution:
As a teacher I will develop effective strategies for bringing about change
I will do this by:
□ Holding problem solving conferences with students outside of the classroom
□ Having class meetings to deal with conflict, teach character education and prevent violence
P.S the handbook is called. "Pratical Stratagies for Working Successfully with Difficult , noncompliant students" Written by Spencer Henry if you ever have a chance to attend one of his seminars DO IT!!! I haven't had a chance but my associate said it saved her from burning out and she learned a lot from it.( http://www.shenrypie.com/Spencer-Henry-Materials.html) this is a link to the site where you can buy the resource book. Mine is a photo copy of my associates original. I am telling you it is worth having nearly everyone in the high school had a copy of this thing and swore by it.
Middle school is challenging-even for vets! I was in my 11th year last year and my 5th graders were HORRIBLE!!! i mean freakin nightmarish!!!
My first job out of college was middle school art and it was by far the worst behaviorally-compared to HS and Elem.
I have a discipline system that I use(d) with really bad classes that works. Its very visual-and can punish the whole class if necessary and can reward individuals as well.
Its called the Strike System.....basically the class gets 3 chances. It seems very elementary, but I think any age responds to it.
i made a little pocket chart for this that could be used over and over again
they start out with 3 green cards. when problems arise (you make the call) you turn a card over-to a strike. one strike is a warning, two strikes for my class meant no talking for the rest of class , and 3 strikes meant clean up supplies, class is over, im done with you.
art is different than math, so you would need to come up with appropriate consequences for each level (no working with partners, homework on fridays, ???, something that they wont like!)
if all cards remain green, the class is rewarded......working with partners, 5 min of free time, or whatever. my school had these stupid tickets so i was able to give those out. I also had these stupid giant 100 dollar bills that they loved, so i gave those away as prizes too.
The way I did it was with a giant dice (die) I made out of cardboard. the class had 6 tables.....and id roll it-if it landed on your # you got the reward. ive also done it where each seat has a number and i had a stack of cards and pulled a card. if it was your number, you were rewarded . (with something math appropriate in your case)
the way to reward individuals even if theres 3 strikes would be to pass out numbers (mine were little paws for our mascot) then you could still roll at the end of class or pull cards, and only number holders could be rewarded. (bonus points, home work freebee, choose one question to not answer on the test, etc....) your prizes could be cool looking money that you design and then they can "buy" certain privileges with the $ later.....they have to have a certain amount to get the stuff. have em all make/design a "wallet" to keep their bucks in. they will love saving it up!
you could also throw in some lessons about probability while you are rolling the dice-i always did!
my last school had THE WORST admin ever and i had NO support, so i had to have something to help or i would have been driven crazy!
this really seemed to help,,,you could also keep track of which classes had the most strike free days, and the one who is the best gets a cookie party at the end where you bring in your vegan cookies! just dont tell em theyre vegan!!!
maybe this sounds too elementary or systematic, but when you are at your wits end and have tried everything else, sometimes you need something like this-so they are punished/rewarded immediately for their choices.
PM me if you want to know more about this or if it doesnt make sense!
make em do pushups!
that's what I do with my kids in karate class- a bit different tho LOL.
Good luck. I know how sucky 7th graders can be.
First of all, hello everybody!
Secondly... Aww KMK! Sorry to hear some of your classes aren't going so well. I student taught all last year in a preschool, a kindergarten, and then a second grade classroom (and I am currently working in a toddler classroom as I search tirelessly for a public school position!). I know it is quite a bit different from middle school, but I can totally relate to the whole soul being ground into a bloody pulp feeling.
I definitely think it gets better! Everybody sucks at least a little at first. I know I was a total mess. I had no classroom management skills. The kids didn't listen to anything I said! Half the time, I could barely make it through my lessons without my cooperating teacher helping me out. BUT by the end of my last placement, I was a zillion times better! My cooperating teacher actually went on medical leave for 2 weeks and I had the whole second grade class to myself. It went really smoothly, really!
My students were really motivated by positive reinforcement. They sat in groups at different tables and every time I caught a table doing something awesome (ex. I like the way that everybody at green table is reading quietly!), their table would get a check on the board. At the end of the week, we tallied up the checks and the winning table would get a prize (erasers, pencils, stickers, etc.). That definitely helped me in getting the kids to do what I needed them to. Planning something for every minute of the day was also something important that I learned because when kids get bored, things can get crazy!
Hope that helps a little...
Today was much better. One of the admins helped me--just came into my class for a few minutes--and other things I did on my own. It was MUCH MUCH better. No paper balls on the floor at the end of the day. No nothing. Not perfect, but OK.
What kinds of things did you do? Seriously. I might need this knowledge some day.
You have to spell EVERYTHING out. Don't assume they know how to do anything. If something is supposed to look a certain way, you need to explain it verbally, write it, model, and have them repeat it back. Even if it takes five minutes to explain the directions for something, that's what it takes. That really gets the ones who are off task because they're confused. Don't assume they even know how to hold a freakin pencil.
I also sent some kids out today. Some were really responsive--I thought they might actually cry! :'( But of course they rebounded in about 2 minutes and were fine for the rest of class. One kid was like, "Miss, why'd you get so mean today?" BUT, guess what, the kid did his work. One of my worst behavior problems, and he got his shit together. You have to be mean. I have a knack for being mean but still empathizing with them. Like, "Yeah, I know hun, it must be frustrating to be {x, y, and z} today, but it just can't happen in here because it disrupts learning." And then walk away, and there's really no way for them to argue. Kids respond to that. I got the gist of how to balance mean/caring from "Teaching with Love and Logic." It's a great book.
I still had asshat behavior, but it was BETTER. That's what counts. We are also changing up the class roster to break up some behavior clusters so that should help.
In other news, some of the girls asked me if I have a myspace today. Thankfully, I could honestly say no. Ha! Yeah riggghhttt, kiddies.
everything that i have read has been so awesome!! i've been getting some awesome ideas too, like, l2a, i might try and use your 3 strike method if my classes start going balistic.
about talking with parents. i totally agree with PP. when i began talking with parents of particular students, their behavior improved ten fold. just remember, only tell them the facts. if you go into what you "think" and 'feel" the parents can take it and turn it around back at you. it happens at our school A LOT. so if jonny was misbehaving in class instead of saying johnny seems to be having trouble concentrating and being respectful of me. say: johnny has completed one assignment, and on two assignments, he only finished half. He consistently talks while I am talking when our rules are to raise your hand. stuff like that. also, my mom got me a really great book called "how to handle difficult parents" by suzanne tingley. maybe your library has a book about dealing with different parents. some are just super supportive, and then others just back the child up, making excuses and belittle you. so it helps to know how to talk with each different type. but most of the parents i've talked to have really been great.
one thing that i used for my really difficult class is I would think of something that they would really like to do, in your instance, like a 5 minute break at the end of class or no homework. lets say 5 min. break. you would write _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ on the board. when they are acting really well, no talking, sitting in their seats the correct way, whatever you want them to do, you put a letter/number up. then, if they fill up the saying, then they get that reward. my principal gave me this suggestion and it worked for most classes. It really worked when there wasnt just one or two people creating problems, its the whole class thats creating problems. because they need to work together to fill in those letters. the first day, make it easy on them, like if they pass back the papers without hitting anyone, you could say, i really liked how no one hit anyone while passing back those papers, i'm gonna give you a letter. then they'll see how easy it is, then you can make it tougher, like the next week they have to pass back the papers while keeping their yapper shut and listening to instructions. and if you make it easy, they'll see how awesome that reward is. and then you could say, after meeting our reward 5 times, I'll let you vote on the reward and after 10 times i'll let you chose the reward. give them something to strive for then and give them something to look forward to.
yayayay you can do it! my first year (just last year) was difficult. i remember litterally laying on the floor of my room (luckily i was in a portable, no one could see me) after school. just laying there. trying to not think about all of the times i wanted to scream during the day. sometimes, i would do yoga with my classes, not for them, but mostly for me. or i was gonna go crazy. luckily, i think it really helped them calm down too. but it gets better. seriously. it gets harder and harder up until christmas, then you have that break, the kids have a break, you have time to recollect yourself. its much better after that break. you can make it!!
ooo i just read your post. i'm So glad classes went better today!! way to go! and i really like love and logic too! thats our schools behavior plan. not too shabby.
Also, before I was hesitant to ask other students who committed a crime if I didn't see it happen. Like, for instance, I see a paper ball go flying. I didn't see who did it, but it causes an uproar. In the past (i.e. last week) I might have made a general warning and moved on. Just because I don't want an atmosphere of kids snitching on each other. Now, I say, "There is an honor code in this school. If I see a paper ball, according to that code, the person who threw it must come clean. If that doesn't happen, I will rely on the rest of the class to inform me who threw it. If the information is not forthcoming, there will be a consequence for the entire class." Every time I did this, the culprit came clean, and we didn't even need to resort to snitching. You have to frame things like, "Here are the high expectation I am holding for you. Now rise to them." Rather than, "Here are all the things you are doing wrong." Kids always want a challenge to show off what they can do, at heart.
I called three or four parents today to compliment DRASTIC turnaround in behavior. I also emailed a couple (they indicated they preferred email) to show them I was thankful for their kids coming after school for extra help. I really love giving positive calls. You can tell some kids don't often get them.
ALSO, I got IEP's today! Yay! Now I finally know which kids are special ed and how to help them!
ALSO, I got IEP's today! Yay! Now I finally know which kids are special ed and how to help them!
You only just got IEP's? How long have you been in school? Definitely check out the adaptations and modifications section - if they are well written, they should have lots of ideas you can implement right away in the classroom. Also, looking at their goals and objectives maybe can help you individualize their work/your teaching. Definitely don't be afraid to ask the special ed teacher for work for them, help with what/how to teach, whatever. That is their job!!
And congratulations on your better day today. I am really proud of you for wanting to be the best you can be and figure it out. Everyone has great ideas. kelsi, I'm so stealing a version of that writing on the board thing! Maybe I will make mine a picture and uncover a piece at a time....hmm.....my teacher-wheels are a'turnin....
ALSO, I got IEP's today! Yay! Now I finally know which kids are special ed and how to help them!
You only just got IEP's? How long have you been in school?
Since last Monday. I know. Sucks. It's because they came from all different elementary schools last year, some of them from the suburbs. They're all a mess. But now I know!
ALSO, I got IEP's today! Yay! Now I finally know which kids are special ed and how to help them!
You only just got IEP's? How long have you been in school?
Since last Monday. I know. Sucks. It's because they came from all different elementary schools last year, some of them from the suburbs. They're all a mess.
Arghnmphgrrrrrrrrrrrrrmphphasdplkjkp!!!!
This is one of my hugest pet peeves on behalf of special education administrators. They should have taken care of that by the end of last school year!!!!!! There should be a MANDATORY collaboration period set aside to discuss IEP's before school even starts. Not only is it best practice, it is the law that that be in place on the first day of school. That is so not fair to you! Further, there should be a collaboration period built into every single week for special ed and general ed. Too often, special ed teachers are expected to be 15 places at once and general ed teachers are expected to read their minds. But that's a whole nother ball of wax. KMK, I am mad on your behalf!
End rant.
I'm also CONVINCED that some of these kids for whom I didn't receive IEP's should have them. They CLEARLY have info processing and attention problems that I just do not know how to handle. But that's something I'll just have to keep tabs on, discuss with other teachers, document, and pursue in the next few weeks. It's all too much! Some IEP's are from 2005 as well.
IEP?
HH, IEP = Individualized Education Plan. Required by law for every student identified with state-recognized categorical special needs.
Some IEP's are from 2005 as well.
OMG. I really really hope that is not true. Please please tell me there is some mistake and they just gave you the wrong paperwork. So those are from when the kids were in what......4th grade? A new IEP is required EVERY year BY LAW. Furthermore, if you have IEP's that old, those kids should have been due for a reevaluation since then (required by law every 3 years)!! Evaluations are done to determine kids' areas of needs and you are supposed to use that information to drive their goals and objectives. What is going on???!!! I would definitely ask about that and not stop asking until I got an answer.
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